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Stephen Pickering's avatar

Have you heard the “I shit on your toga” story?

In the 4th century BC, the forces of the Roman Republic conquered all of central Italy. After the 48 years of war with the Samnites, victory for Rome came in 295 BC, increasing the Empire territory through Campania and Puglia. The forces of Rome were now very close to the Greek settlements of the Southern Peninsula.

The Roman Republic sent an emissary to the Spartan Greek colony of Taras, modern day Taranto in Puglia, in a peaceful effort to take over the Greek colony but it ended up very badly. Taras, by the way was named after son of Poseidon.

The Roman envoy arrived to Taras in formal togas in an attempt to impress the Greeks, but the Greeks thought they looked ridiculous and broke into fits of laughter. One of the Greeks, according to the historian Cassius Dio, shit (or shat or whatever floats your faeces!) all over the formal clothes of the chief envoy, Lucius Postimius Megellus, who promised the clothes would be washed in the blood of the Greek colony.

I think that it can be argued that the Greeks never bought into Romanisation despite their subjugation. Rather, over time the Greeks Hellenised the Romans despite defeat on the battlefield.

In the archaeological museum of Taranto the head of Heracles has been recreated and it is huge. Quite how the Romans managed to transport it to Rome is a feat in itself. Taranto today seems more proud of Magna Grecia than the Romans.

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Jewell's avatar

Very Interesting. I don't know when Fasces or the Phrygian cap first showed up - they may be symbols that existed long before their use by Rome - perhaps stolen from the Greeks. Their appearance on US seals, coins, and architecture - I think may have a more sinister meaning much like the satanic masonic symbols that are ever present. The Declaration of independence states: "......all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".. which makes it clear that Liberty is bestowed by God and not governments. The use of the Phrygian cap (which is believed to have been given by slave owners/governments to individuals that had been granted their freedom from bondage and used to distinguish between those still enslaved) would be a poor symbol of freedom for a people that professed their Liberty was granted by God. What it suggest is that the Liberty granted the citizens or the newly formed entity was granted by an earthly source and is not an innate or inalienable right. Also the Fasces were carried by Lictors which were the private security of the nobility. Their presence on seals, within the chambers of government, and on our coins (1916 mercury dime) suggest to me that the US and its governments are the protectors of the real rulers.

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